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 Post subject: Re: Poem Translation
PostPosted: Tue 20 Mar 2012 10:03 pm 
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Gumbi wrote:
Nice one, a Bhríd :good:


GRMA a Ghumbi :D

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 Post subject: Re: Poem Translation
PostPosted: Wed 21 Mar 2012 3:39 pm 
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Thank you so much for all of your help! I am not going to have it printed for a few weeks, so I will keep checking back here for any other thoughts and suggestions that might be posted.

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 Post subject: Re: Poem Translation
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I would say that he meant credo as a promise in this case. It doesn't fit perfectly, but the point he is trying to make is there, I think....

cre·do/ˈkrēdō/
Noun: A statement of the beliefs or aims that guide someone's actions

I really can't thank you guys enough for this!

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 Post subject: Re: Poem Translation
PostPosted: Wed 21 Mar 2012 7:38 pm 
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TennesseeTeacher wrote:
I would say that he meant credo as a promise in this case. It doesn't fit perfectly, but the point he is trying to make is there, I think....

cre·do/ˈkrēdō/
Noun: A statement of the beliefs or aims that guide someone's actions

I really can't thank you guys enough for this!

Summer

That was the way I saw it too. Though it is also important to question, as Redwolf has done, it is not the job of a translator to change the original (though we may smooth over "mistakes" in the translation. ;) )

This is a piece of art and art is not perfect. It comes from the heart and is expressed in the words of the writer. A teacher may make suggestions about correct grammar or meanings but it wouldn't be right to dictate what the student must write. If they did, it would cease to be the writer's own work.

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 Post subject: Re: Poem Translation
PostPosted: Thu 22 Mar 2012 11:08 am 
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The final verse.. as nobody else has done it.

Dreams of you and me give me strength to pull me through any storm.
There is no greater reason to move with the season.
Just know through the rain and snow
no one but you will ever know the source of my strength.



Tugann bloinglóídí fúinn (or dúinn??) le chéile an neart dom le dhul tríd aon stoirm,
Níl fáth níos fearr le gluaiseacht leis an seisúir. ???
Ní bheidh fíos ag aoinne ach thusa foinse mo chumhacht
len bháisteach agus an sneachta a fhulaing.



Maybe it's too early in the morning for me but that needs some serious tweaking.

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 Post subject: Re: Poem Translation
PostPosted: Thu 22 Mar 2012 11:52 am 
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Just a spelling tweak, a Bhríd, brion...

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 Post subject: Re: Poem Translation
PostPosted: Thu 22 Mar 2012 2:48 pm 
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Actually, it is very much a teacher's JOB (particularly an English teacher's) to point out if a word choice or construction doesn't work in context and to suggest alternatives. And, in fact, the teacher DID say here that "gealltanas" most likely gets across what the writer intended. A translator can and should question such when they crop up in something like this, If the writer really is "wedded" to the word "credo", even if used incorrectly as it is here, it should either be left in English as Bríd left it or translated into the Irish equivalent "creideamh."

Writers, particularly amateur writers and ESPECIALLY wannabe poets, frequently use words whose meanings or correct usage they don't fully understand in an attempt to sound sophisticated or "poetic." Teachers, editors, and yes...translators...do them little good by simply accepting this without questioning it.

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 Post subject: Re: Poem Translation
PostPosted: Thu 22 Mar 2012 5:23 pm 
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Questioning is always good, Redwolf, but it is important to be polite about it and not to overstate our case. We have agreed elsewhere that it is not good to jump on mistakes or to be condescending when we point out mistakes when people are learning Irish. I believe the principle applies equally to English as it does to Irish.

These are our guests and we should treat them with respect and not prejudge them. (If someone is _intentionally_ rude to us - that's a different story.) It is not polite to cast aspersions on a teacher based on a single piece of anecdotal evidence.

By all means, question the wording, but let's be careful not to let our own prejudices cause us to overstate our case. Like the teacher, we can but offer alternatives and suggestions. Beyond that it is best not to get too adamant or insistent about it.

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 Post subject: Re: Poem Translation
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Can we focus on the rest of the poem? Instead of concentrating on a single word.


Yes, the English teacher should know, but I suppose she didn't want to hurt his feelings by pointing it out to him. I get the impression he has some difficulties. I don't think Redwolf was disrespectful. We need to be able to voice our opinions.

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 Post subject: Re: Poem Translation
PostPosted: Thu 22 Mar 2012 7:25 pm 
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
Can we focus on the rest of the poem? Instead of concentrating on a single word.

What a good idea. :yes:

Perhaps:

Tugann brionglóídí fúinn le chéile an neart dom le dhul tríd aon stoirm,
Níl fáth níos fearr le gluaiseacht leis an séar.
Ní bheidh fíos ag aoinne ach thusa foinse mo chumhachta
len bháisteach agus an sneachta a fhulaingt.


Some of those may be dialectal differences, though. ;)

I think "dreams" here, means "visions of the future". Would aislingí be better? or does brionglóidí also cover that kind of dream, do you think?

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