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PostPosted: Tue 25 Aug 2015 8:35 am 
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I know

Sláinte
Sláinte mhaith (this old me an Scottish guy in 1996 when I was in Shropshire, England for an apprenticeship exchange)

Sláinte is táinte (this is translated as Health AND Wealth)...but I think it is not correct because "agus" is "and", or am I wrong?
Sláinte agus saol agat (Health and a long life)

So I created this one by myself:

Sláinte mhaith agus saol agat. (Good health and a long life) :) Would that be correct to say in this form? Or is that too muc or grammatically incorrect?


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PostPosted: Tue 25 Aug 2015 9:12 am 
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Zurni wrote:
Sláinte is táinte (this is translated as Health AND Wealth)...but I think it is not correct because "agus" is "and", or am I wrong?


Yes, you are.
"is" is a very common abbreviation for "agus"

Zurni wrote:
Sláinte agus saol agat (Health and a long life)


It's only a life.
"Get a life" isn't very polite ;)
a long life is saol fada

Zurni wrote:
So I created this one by myself:

Sláinte mhaith agus saol agat. (Good health and a long life) :) Would that be correct to say in this form? Or is that too muc or grammatically incorrect?


I'd say
... agus saol fada chugat
chugat = to you
but agat might work as well. (in many dialects agat replaces chugat anyway)


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PostPosted: Tue 25 Aug 2015 9:53 am 
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Labhrás wrote:

It's only a life.
"Get a life" isn't very polite ;)
a long life is saol fada


Omg... :D
Good I didn't use it.

Zurni wrote:
So I created this one by myself:

Sláinte mhaith agus saol agat. (Good health and a long life) :) Would that be correct to say in this form? Or is that too muc or grammatically incorrect?


Labhrás wrote:
I'd say
... agus saol fada chugat
chugat = to you
but agat might work as well. (in many dialects agat replaces chugat anyway)


So....it'd be
"Sláinte mhaith agus saol fada agaibh" to more people or "Sláinte mhaith agus saol fada chugaibh"?

Grma... :)


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PostPosted: Tue 25 Aug 2015 9:54 am 
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This mistakse is the best way to show my difficulties keeping that stuff in my mind. :(


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PostPosted: Tue 25 Aug 2015 10:03 am 
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Zurni wrote:

So....it'd be
"Sláinte mhaith agus saol fada agaibh" to more people or "Sláinte mhaith agus saol fada chugaibh"?

Grma... :)


And why do we use a form of "chuig = toward" and not from "do = for/to" in this case duit?


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PostPosted: Tue 25 Aug 2015 1:21 pm 
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Changes in semantics over the generations, dialect differences...

There would seem to be more of a sense of 'mental movement' (intent) to 'do' than to the transportive sense of 'chuig' (or maybe it's just me), but as has been said, 'chuig' reduces to 'eig' so you get a confusion and overlapping with 'agat' over time

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PostPosted: Wed 26 Aug 2015 6:04 pm 
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The use of agat/agaibh is based on the way one says "to have" in Irish (and Scottish Gaelic). For example, Tá teach agam means "I have a house" (literally: "there is a house at me"). So, when you say Sláinte mhaith agus saol fada agat/agaibh!, you're actually saying "Have good health and a long life!".

Saying Sláinte mhaith agus saol fada chugat/chugaibh could be seen as meaning "Good health and a long life to you!", although, as noted, the choice is really more of a dialectical thing. Note that you can say it both ways in English, as well (as shown by the translations I've given).

While the word "do" can mean "to" in some cases, it can have a number of other meanings as a preposition, and if you were to use it in this case, Sláinte mhaith agus saol fada duit/daoibh would come across more like "Good health and a long life for you!". That isn't illogical, but it would sound a bit off, just as the English translation does (while also logical).

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