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wannaleanrirish
 Post subject: Which one is it?
PostPosted: Wed 19 Sep 2012 4:52 am 
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Which one is correct and why??

"Cé mhéad a cosnaíonn ticéad"

OR

"Cé mhéad a chosnaíonn ticéad"

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peann cleite
 Post subject: Re: Which one is it?
PostPosted: Wed 19 Sep 2012 8:42 am 
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For me, lenition is appropriate here, but wait for the grammar specialists to be sure.

Is dóigh liomsa go bhfuil an séimhiú de dhíth ort anseo, ach fan leis na saineolaithe gramadaí le bheith cinnte...
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Lughaidh
 Post subject: Re: Which one is it?
PostPosted: Wed 19 Sep 2012 11:16 am 
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Quote:
"Cé mhéad a chosnaíonn ticéad"


this one is right, not the other. The direct relative "a" lenites (when possible).
You often say "Cé mhéad atá ar thicéad?" too (how much is on a ticket).

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Aislingeach
 Post subject: Re: Which one is it?
PostPosted: Wed 19 Sep 2012 11:33 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
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The direct relative "a" lenites (when possible).

Regardless of dialect?

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Breandán
 Post subject: Re: Which one is it?
PostPosted: Wed 19 Sep 2012 11:59 am 
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Aislingeach wrote:
Lughaidh wrote:
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The direct relative "a" lenites (when possible).
Regardless of dialect?

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Yes - The direct relative a lenites in all dialects. :yes: (The indirect relative a causes eclipsis.)

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Lughaidh
 Post subject: Re: Which one is it?
PostPosted: Wed 19 Sep 2012 2:06 pm 
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Maybe in Urban Irish they wouldn't lenite (anyway they don't manage to pronounce a broad ch) :darklaugh: :darklaugh: :darklaugh: :darklaugh:

-- it's a joke. Yeah in correct Irish it's lenited in all dialects

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Scooby
 Post subject: Re: Which one is it?
PostPosted: Wed 19 Sep 2012 2:15 pm 
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Don't they say the likes of this in Munster?

Ní mar a síltear do bítear go minic

or

Ní mar a síltear bítear go minic

or

Ní mar a síltear a bítear go minic

Perhaps it's just a briathar saor thing in Munster. Or perhaps I am just wrong! If so then I blame Caffler on the old site.
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Lughaidh
 Post subject: Re: Which one is it?
PostPosted: Wed 19 Sep 2012 2:42 pm 
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But in your sentences the verb is in the autonomous form in Munster Irish. So it's different.
In Wannalearnirish's sentence there is a lenition in all dialects.

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wannaleanrirish
 Post subject: Re: Which one is it?
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go raibh maith agat

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Aislingeach
 Post subject: Re: Which one is it?
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Go raibh maith agaibh, a Bhreandáin, a Lughaidh!

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