Ah, gotcha. Thanks!

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Suzanne D. Williams is a native Floridian, wife, and mother with a penchant for spelling things and an Irishman somewhere way back in her background.

I think a quote should stay the same even if removed from the original context, otherwise it becomes a paraphrase. The emphatic/contrastive won't be out of place here.

I can second:

Tháinig mise chun go mbeadh an bheatha acu agus go mbeadh sí acu go fial. (Though An Lon Dubh's contribution Thánag-sa ionnus go mbeadh an bheatha acu, agus go mbeadh sí acu níos iomadúla. is fine if you want a Munster version.)

And also second:

Beatha & Fuascailt "Life & Deliverance" (though I think we've used fuascailt for "redemption" in your other title?)

Creideamh & Maithiúnas "Faith & Forgiveness"

Await further confirmation or correction ...

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My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

Yes, you used it in the other title. That was Life & Redemption. Interesting that it's the same word. I'm not sure if that's good or bad. I'm afraid I don't know the different in Munster and the other. (Don't throw stones at me.)

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Suzanne D. Williams is a native Floridian, wife, and mother with a penchant for spelling things and an Irishman somewhere way back in her background.

, there will be no stones thrown here. Munster Irish is one of the three dialects still alive to this day. The others being Connacht and Ulster Irish. The Leinster dialect became extinct sometime in the 1920s-1930s. The dialects differ in areas such as pronounciation, idioms and vocabulary.

The three main dialects break down further into sub- dialects. In general people who speak a dialect can understand each other, but there can be difficulties where certain words mean something else in different dialects. This occurs on a sub- dialect level also. There is of course an Official Standard or "Caighdeán Oifigiúil". Unlike most standards, like Catellan Spanish, the Official Standard is an artificial language that combines the three dialects of Irish with inclusions that rely heavily on Connacht Irish as it seen as the bridge between Ulster and Munster Irish.

It is important to point out that the Official Standard is not the language of any native speaker. It relies heavily on English translations, idioms and terminology and is generally disliked by native speakers. Most learning material and modern translations are given in the Official Standard.

The Munster translation given by Lon Dubh is from father Peadar Ua Laoghaire, who himself was a native speaker of Cork (Munster Irish) and whose writings are seen by many as the backbone of the early Gaelic revival. Ua Laoghaire wrote extensively in Cork Irish on religious and secular matters. His writings are seen by many as an exemplar to anyone wishing to study Cork Irish. His translation above would have been carried out in the late 1800s or early 1900s.

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bricks, blocks, hurleys, baseball bats, but definitely no stones....!

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, well, maybe by Lughaidh

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Let he who is without grammatical error cast the first stone.

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"Tháinig mise chun go mbeadh an bheatha acu agus go mbeadh sí acu go fial".

I came in order (so that) that they would have their life and that they may have it in abundance.


"Thánag-sa ionnus go mbeadh an bheatha acu, agus go mbeadh sí acu níos iomadúla". (Munster version)

I came in order that they would have life, and they would have it more often (in abundance).

As you can see there is no real difference just different wording and grammatical form. I would prefer the Munster one, but my opinion is bias because I speak Munster Irish. I would just as much be happy with the first one. If you go with the Munster one the spelling would have to be altered a small bit because it is "réamhchaighdeánach" spelling (or the spelling before the introduction of the official Standard). "Iomdha" was the Déise way of expressing "iomaí" as seen in the works of Amhlaoibh Ó Suilleabháin. But iomaí is now used thanks in part to the Caighdeán.

"ionnus" is writen as "ionas" today and a question on "iomadúla" is that recognised by the Caighdeán? or will "iomaí" have to be used- either way I vote it should be kept "iomadúla".

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LOL @ all the "stone throwing".

On a serious note, thanks for this. I do see the difference, though I admit I can't read a word of it. Let me ask you this, would one dialect be more common than another around the year 1870. My story involves the son of an immigrant. He would have picked up what he knows from his mother and perhaps it was garbled in with other Gaelic speakers he grew up around.

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