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 Post subject: 'idir'
PostPosted: Sat 25 Aug 2012 7:56 pm 
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The fact that 'idir' can mean 'both' came up on Scooby's réamhfhocail lesson thread recently: bhí idir bhuachaillí agus chailíní sa rang.

Bhí mé ar an Luas inniu (great place to hear/read a few placenames i nGaeilge agus Béarla) agus léigh mé an rud seo ar an ardán:

Féach gach treo / Look both ways.

My question is this: Why not 'Féach idir treo' (h?) or does that work in this case?

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 Post subject: Re: 'idir'
PostPosted: Sat 25 Aug 2012 9:29 pm 
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The fact that 'idir' can mean 'both' came up on Scooby's réamhfhocail lesson thread recently: bhí idir bhuachaillí agus chailíní sa rang.

Bhí mé ar an Luas inniu (great place to hear/read a few placenames i nGaeilge agus Béarla) agus léigh mé an rud seo ar an ardán:

Féach gach treo / Look both ways.

My question is this: Why not 'Féach idir treo' (h?) or does that work in this case?


"idir" (Ulster eadar) only means "both" when it's followed by two words linked with "agus/is":

eadar aosta agus óg
eadar fhir agus mhná...

otherwise, it means "between" (and it doesn't lenite). "féach idir treo" would mean "look between direction", which doesn't make sense.

Btw I would say "Féach ar gach treo", or "amhanc ar an dá thaobh"

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 Post subject: Re: 'idir'
PostPosted: Sun 26 Aug 2012 2:01 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
"idir" (Ulster eadar) only means "both" when it's followed by two words linked with "agus/is":

eadar aosta agus óg
eadar fhir agus mhná...

otherwise, it means "between" (and it doesn't lenite).


Duly noted under "idir." :GRMA:

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 Post subject: Re: 'idir'
PostPosted: Sun 26 Aug 2012 3:31 pm 
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As we say in Conamara - :D

Breathnaigh 'chaon taobh.

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 Post subject: Re: 'idir'
PostPosted: Wed 29 Aug 2012 12:11 am 
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Saoirse wrote:
The fact that 'idir' can mean 'both' came up on Scooby's réamhfhocail lesson thread recently: bhí idir bhuachaillí agus chailíní sa rang.

Bhí mé ar an Luas inniu (great place to hear/read a few placenames i nGaeilge agus Béarla) agus léigh mé an rud seo ar an ardán:

Féach gach treo / Look both ways.

My question is this: Why not 'Féach idir treo' (h?) or does that work in this case?



As you can see from the posts, there are various valid and tried and tested ways of putting this.
To me 'Féach gach treo' is easily understood - I would not use 'idir'.

Just to add to the mix, you could if you wished also translate it as:
Féach sa dá threo
Breathnaigh sa dá threo
(fixed the 'sa dhá')
... but I think you'd get away with it as it is.

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 Post subject: Re: 'idir'
PostPosted: Wed 29 Aug 2012 12:39 am 
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Féach sa dhá threo


sa dhá or sa dá?
the lenition looks strange to me after the article included in "sa" (but maybe you say it in Connemara...)

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 Post subject: Re: 'idir'
PostPosted: Wed 29 Aug 2012 12:59 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
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Féach sa dhá threo


sa dhá or sa dá?
the lenition looks strange to me after the article included in "sa" (but maybe you say it in Connemara...)


If I was saying it I would say it
san dá threo
so I suppose I should have written it so
... there I was making up my own language again LOL
grma for that.
...must look up that new CO regarding sa dhá. LOL.
Can you write it?

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 Post subject: Re: 'idir'
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In the CO i think it's "sa dá..." because normally you can't have "dhá" after the article, "sa dá" is "ins an dá", of course. That's why I was surprised :)

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 Post subject: Re: 'idir'
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Lughaidh wrote:
In the CO i think it's "sa dá..." because normally you can't have "dhá" after the article, "sa dá" is "ins an dá", of course. That's why I was surprised :)


I agree.


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 Post subject: Re: 'idir'
PostPosted: Sat 01 Sep 2012 7:57 pm 
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I found this particular use of 'idir' rather difficult to get my head round, as I was trying to understand it through the English translation, I suppose.
Her name was Gráinne, but she wasn't at all like the princess in the old tale. (no trace of 'between' there)
Gráinne an t-ainm a bhí uirthi, ach ní raibh pioc cosúlachta idir í agus an banfhlaith sa sean-scéal.
Admittedly there's this sentence on Pota Focal - Tá an-chuid cosúlachtaí idir an dá rud - There are many similarities between the two things, but the use of idir in the first sentence does seem - to me at least - to be very idiomatic.


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