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PostPosted: Sat 25 Aug 2012 5:16 pm 
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Great, I'll try to post something on youtube in the next day or so then. At the end of TYI, Dillon recommends that students ought to move on to the works of Peter O'Leary, so I thought that I'd try reading from O'Leary's historical novel, Niamh.

Here is the link for the bilingual edition at the corkirish website:
http://www.corkirish.com/wordpress/bili ... n-of-niamh

And to be honest, I'm starting from pretty much nothing in terms of pronunciation. I mean that every other word that I say will probably be flatly incorrect in every dialect, so my goal at the moment is just to get in the range of correct with respect to how the language is actually spoken. If there is someone who knows the Munster dialect and would be willing to listen to and correct my recordings that would be fantastic, but I think that any help I could get would be a big improvement at this stage. My first priority is just to make myself understood, and I'd personally rather have a slightly mixed up accent than not speak Irish at all because I couldn't learn it with a good Munster accent.


That's an excellent idea, Peadar Ua Laoghaire's mo sgéal féin can be found at http://wikisource.org/wiki/Mo_Sg%C3%A9al_F%C3%A9in in its origional spelling- which in my opinion is an absolute blessing! Fair play to ya, this sort of determination will definitely see ya through.

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PostPosted: Sat 25 Aug 2012 5:27 pm 
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Matt wrote:
I was rooting around on the cork Irish website, and I found a page where a native speaker breaks down all the individual vowel, dipthong, and consonant sounds into individual sound files along with example words that the sounds occur in. I think it should be a big help to me. If anyone is interested, the link for it is here:

http://www.corkirish.com/wordpress/pron ... intonation



These are excellent examples of Cork Irish.

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PostPosted: Sat 25 Aug 2012 6:37 pm 
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Just thought of something today, that kind of ties in with the regular verb lesson. Caithimíd and caithfimíd. Are they pronounced the same?

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PostPosted: Sat 25 Aug 2012 7:25 pm 
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Mick wrote:
Just thought of something today, that kind of ties in with the regular verb lesson. Caithimíd and caithfimíd. Are they pronounced the same?

The f is supposed to be pronounced as a h, so there is a slight difference. However in some verbs people don't say the h when speaking fast.

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PostPosted: Sat 25 Aug 2012 7:29 pm 
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Yes. Practically speaking (pun intended :) ) the f (pronounced like a h) isn't pronounced, though it really should be. You might catch it in slower speech.


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I understand that, but the th is also supposed to be pronounced like a h, no?

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Mick wrote:
I understand that, but the th is also supposed to be pronounced like a h, no?


Yes, except in The sub- dialect of Ring where its a "ch" sound.

Luath- early, is pronounced like luach

tráthnóna- evening, is pronounced as tráchnúna

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PostPosted: Sat 25 Aug 2012 8:07 pm 
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That's interesting. I've heard the luach and tráchnúna pronunciations, and a few others like that (dath comes to mind). But I didn't realise it was a general rule. Is the th in caith like a broad ch? I'm fairly sure maith doesn't have that ch sound in Ring.

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Mick wrote:
That's interesting. I've heard the luach and tráchnúna pronunciations, and a few others like that (dath comes to mind). But I didn't realise it was a general rule. Is the th in caith like a broad ch? I'm fairly sure maith doesn't have that ch sound in Ring.


No neither of those are pronounced with a "ch" in Ring, they' re some exceptions and these are two of them. A general rule is that a broad vowel followed by "th" is pronounced like "ch" whereas a slender vowel followed by "th" is like a "h".

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That's an excellent idea, Peadar Ua Laoghaire's mo sgéal féin can be found at http://wikisource.org/wiki/Mo_Sg%C3%A9al_F%C3%A9in in its origional spelling- which in my opinion is an absolute blessing! Fair play to ya, this sort of determination will definitely see ya through.



And speaking of "Mo Scéal Féin", here's a recording of Maighréad Uí Lionáird (the native speaker from Múscraí who reads Séadna on the CD's) reading Chapter 4 of "Mo Scéal Féin":


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbbsVTYFybY


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