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 Post subject: an t-uafás eolais
PostPosted: Sat 09 Feb 2013 4:51 pm 
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Tháinig mé ar seo ar http://www.potafocal.com: an t-uafás eolais = a great deal of information

Which came first: 'an awful lot of information' or 'an t-uafás eolais'?

Do other English speaking countries use expressions like 'an awful lot' when describing 'a lot'. It is very common to hear Irish people saying things like, 'You are awful good to help her' meaning 'You are very good to help her' or 'She's awful/awfully nice' meaning 'She's very nice'. It must sound odd to someone who hasn't heard it before.

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Saoirse wrote:
Tháinig mé ar seo ar http://www.potafocal.com: an t-uafás eolais = a great deal of information

Which came first: 'an awful lot of information' or 'an t-uafás eolais'?

Do other English speaking countries use expressions like 'an awful lot' when describing 'a lot'. It is very common to hear Irish people saying things like, 'You are awful good to help her' meaning 'You are very good to help her' or 'She's awful/awfully nice' meaning 'She's very nice'. It must sound odd to someone who hasn't heard it before.


We use "awful" or "awfully" in the same sense here, but that's not to say that it didn't come from Irish...after all, the U.S. has had an "awful lot" of Irish immigration! ;)

I also see parallels here with the use (predominately in the North, I think) of "iontach" as an intensifier (since "awful" meant "wondrous/awe-inspiring" before it came to mean "terrible").

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 Post subject: Re: an t-uafás eolais
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No stranger than " wicked" as in wicked good (very good) used mainly in New England here


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 Post subject: Re: an t-uafás eolais
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I've heard expressions like "an awful lot" and "awfully nice" in England and Scotland as well. I think it exists in most dialects of English.

I used to hear "wicked" a lot in London, in the sense that something was really good. In Ireland, we use "deadly" in the same way. "That car is deadly" could mean you really like the car, or it could mean the car is unsafe, depending on how you say it.


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 Post subject: Re: an t-uafás eolais
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Word meanings often change, and a lot of the change comes from adolescent speech, and I suspect that's what happened with "wicked" (which seems to have hit, or perhaps originated in, the US only about 20-25 years ago). I don't know when "awful" changed meaning, but I've read that when Christopher Wren was awarded the contract to build the new St. Paul's Cathedral in London, the person or body awarding him the contract said that he/they did so because Wren's design was "the most contrived, artificial, and awful", and those were all compliments at the time (and no longer are)!

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 Post subject: Re: an t-uafás eolais
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'Aweful' in ionad 'awful'? Inspiring awe?

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Saoirse wrote:
'Aweful' in ionad 'awful'? Inspiring awe?


Yup. That's where "awful" comes from. You'll even see it written "aweful" in some older English texts.

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 Post subject: Re: an t-uafás eolais
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You could also say -

cuimse go deo eolais

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 Post subject: Re: an t-uafás eolais
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In England, to me anyway, aweful has always been a bit pompous 'your awfully good' etc I would never have said it myself


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 Post subject: Re: an t-uafás eolais
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Somhairle Óg wrote:
In England, to me anyway, aweful has always been a bit pompous 'your awfully good' etc I would never have said it myself
In Ireland, 'You're awful good' wouldn't be at all pompous; it'd be very down to earth. But it's 'awful' in that context not the pompous 'awfully' you referred to.

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