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 Post subject: Surgery
PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013 5:17 am 
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I'm struggling with how to say "he had surgery/an operation on his knee." Actually, the knee bit I'm fine on...it's the whole "he had surgery/an operation" thing that's getting me.

Another struggle: "The doctor had to operate."

Got a conversation group tomorrow (yes, Audrey is working hard on her "Líofa 2013" commitment!) and want to be prepared with my news of the month, which pretty much has to do with my dog's ACL surgery.

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013 8:58 am 
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Duine (nó mada) a chur faoi scian

Obráid a dfhéanamh ar duine (nó mada)


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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013 9:20 am 
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Brian O'Cathain wrote:
Duine (nó mada) a chur faoi scian

Obráid a dfhéanamh ar duine (nó mada)

:yes: Those and:

Chuaigh sé faoi scian "He had/underwent an operation"
Cuireadh faoi scian é "He was operated on."

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 Post subject: Re: Surgery
PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013 6:03 pm 
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GRMA! I had forgotten "faoin scian"!

As far as specifics go, I think I'm going to stick with "ghortaigh sé a ghlúin," rather than try to figure out how to say "anterior cruciate ligament rupture" ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Surgery
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Redwolf wrote:
GRMA! I had forgotten "faoin scian"!

As far as specifics go, I think I'm going to stick with "ghortaigh sé a ghlúin," rather than try to figure out how to say "anterior cruciate ligament rupture" ;)

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:yes: Probably better that way, but for practice' sake:

"anterior" tosaigh
"cruciate ligament" ballnasc croiseach
"rupture" maidhm

So, perhaps:

maidhm bhallnaisc chroisigh thosaigh

But I'm not very strong on triple genitives ... :panic:

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 Post subject: Re: Surgery
PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013 6:23 pm 
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Ballnasc? an focal nádúrtha é sin nó cionn do na focla aisteacha sin a cumadh in oifig i mBÁC aríst? :)
Tá cuma chontráilte air (nasc baill a bheadh nádúrtha ag Gaedhil as an lae innibh :) ). Ach amháin más focal Sean-Ghaedhlice é.

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 Post subject: Re: Surgery
PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013 6:41 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
Ballnasc? an focal nádúrtha é sin nó cionn do na focla aisteacha sin a cumadh in oifig i mBÁC aríst? :)
Tá cuma chontráilte air (nasc baill a bheadh nádúrtha ag Gaedhil as an lae innibh :) ). Ach amháin más focal Sean-Ghaedhlice é.

Okay, fine Lughaidh, go ahead and make a quadruple genitive out of it. :darklaugh: (But how about actually showing us how it might then be done in that case, rather than just making less-than-helpful throwaway criticisms without attempting to solve the problem?)

By the way, ball-nasc is in Dinneen as "a ligament that connects the bones in the joints." I'd call that fairly established even though you might like to think it is unnatural for Irish. Most medical terminology feels "unnatural" to native speakers in any language (they'd be more likely to say "He has a bad knee", or the like.) but that doesn't mean the technical terminology can't exist side-by-side with the colloquial terms. :rolleyes:

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 Post subject: Re: Surgery
PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013 7:03 pm 
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Breandán wrote:
Lughaidh wrote:
Ballnasc? an focal nádúrtha é sin nó cionn do na focla aisteacha sin a cumadh in oifig i mBÁC aríst? :)
Tá cuma chontráilte air (nasc baill a bheadh nádúrtha ag Gaedhil as an lae innibh :) ). Ach amháin más focal Sean-Ghaedhlice é.

Okay, fine Lughaidh, go ahead and make a quadruple genitive out of it. :darklaugh: (But how about actually showing us how it might then be done in that case, rather than just making less-than-helpful throwaway criticisms without attempting to solve the problem?)

By the way, ball-nasc is in Dinneen as "a ligament that connects the bones in the joints." I'd call that fairly established even though you might like to think it is unnatural for Irish. Most medical terminology feels "unnatural" to native speakers in any language (they'd be more likely to say "He has a bad knee", or the like.) but that doesn't mean the technical terminology can't exist side-by-side with the colloquial terms. :rolleyes:


I agree. In fact, normally I wouldn't go into such detail about an injury even in English, except that ACL ruptures are so common in dogs (in fact, speaking to an English speaker who isn't a medical person, I probably wouldn't even use the word "rupture," but rather "tear" or "break").*

Many medical terms (as well as technical terms) are of recent coinage in most languages in any case. I seriously doubt there's a native Gaeltacht term for "Tibeal Plateau Leveling Osteotomy" either, but I bet Irish-speaking vets are doing them!

Redwolf

* Not that I'm a medical person, but when you have dogs, you spend a lot of time talking to vets.


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 Post subject: Re: Surgery
PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013 8:36 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Surgery
PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013 8:53 pm 
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By the way, ball-nasc is in Dinneen as "a ligament that connects the bones in the joints." I'd call that fairly established even though you might like to think it is unnatural for Irish. Most medical terminology feels "unnatural" to native speakers in any language (they'd be more likely to say "He has a bad knee", or the like.) but that doesn't mean the technical terminology can't exist side-by-side with the colloquial terms.


if it's in Dinneen I guess it's a real word :)
Prefixing nouns to nouns is either Old Irish or office Irish (because it's the same order as English...)... Because today's Gaeltacht speakers would never create "new words" in this way, precisely because prefixing stuff is Old Irish and hasn't be used for more than 1000 years.

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