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 Post subject: Cupla focal
PostPosted: Fri 25 Jan 2013 1:48 pm 
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Dia daoibh go léir,
These are words I can't find in the dictionary, I'd be grateful if someone could give me the meaning of them. They're taken from the song 'An Gréasaí Beag Bídeach'
- cimleachán
- go hárd
- reamhar
- céirbh
and I don't understand the use of 'dó' here -

Bhí comharsa béal dorais
ag an ngréasaí cóir,
Is céirbh í féin
ach Brídín Luchóg:
Ó rinne sí an glanadh
is an níochán dó
is choimeád sí an teach beag go hálainn.

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 Post subject: Re: Cupla focal
PostPosted: Fri 25 Jan 2013 1:57 pm 
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They're taken from the song 'An Gréasaí Beag Bídeach'
- cimleachán


context may help us understand... :)

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- go hárd


high(ly) ? but without any context...

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- reamhar


= ramhar = fat

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- céirbh


should be spelt "cérbh" it is "who" in the past ("cé" + the copula in the past tense before a vowel)

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and I don't understand the use of 'dó' here -

Bhí comharsa béal dorais
ag an ngréasaí cóir,
Is céirbh í féin
ach Brídín Luchóg:
Ó rinne sí an glanadh
is an níochán dó


dó= for him
she did the cleaning and the washing for him

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 Post subject: Re: Cupla focal
PostPosted: Fri 25 Jan 2013 2:06 pm 
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franc 91 wrote:
Dia daoibh go léir,
These are words I can't find in the dictionary, I'd be grateful if someone could give me the meaning of them. They're taken from the song 'An Gréasaí Beag Bídeach'
- cimleachán
- go hárd
- reamhar - céirbh
and I don't understand the use of 'dó' here -

Bhí comharsa béal dorais
ag an ngréasaí cóir,
Is céirbh í féin
ach Brídín Luchóg:
Ó rinne sí an glanadh
is an níochán dó
is choimeád sí an teach beag go hálainn.

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Franc
I don't know the first one, but it reminds me of imleacán - naval/belly button! Not sure that's very helpful here!

Should go hárd have the fada? If it's 'go hard', depending on context, it could mean 'loudly' or it might be something like 'molta go hard' - greatly praised.

In relation to the use of 'dó' - she did the cleaning and washing for him.

Déanann tú rudaí do dhaoine eile - you do things for other people.

I can't help with the others. :no:

Crossed with Lughaidh whose answer is probably far more informative than mine!

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 Post subject: Re: Cupla focal
PostPosted: Fri 25 Jan 2013 2:19 pm 
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Here's another verse of it -

Ar a seacht a chlog,
gach uile lá,
Chuala sé cnag ar an doras go hárd,
Isteach leis an luch
ina haprún bán
Agus cimleachán mór ina láimh léi.

This has been compiled and written down by Nóirín Ní Riain, so I don't think there would be any mistakes in the spelling, perhaps there might be a few dialect words here and there.


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 Post subject: Re: Cupla focal
PostPosted: Fri 25 Jan 2013 2:52 pm 
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I'm a little surprised that Lughaidh considers that céirbh should be spelt another way. While I don't know this particular spelling, it seems likely that it is a dialectal spelling - always a problem for me in truth as it seems anything goes with spelling outside the CO, which has its flaws admittedly. Cérbh, as Lughaidh says, is the standard spelling.

go hárd (standard: go hard) can mean 'loudly'.

cimleachan = cuimleachán = 'miserable, insignificant person' according to FGB


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 Post subject: Re: Cupla focal
PostPosted: Fri 25 Jan 2013 3:39 pm 
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Yes I was thinking that go hárd might mean something like that (even 'hard'!) but I'm surprised by what you give for cimleachán.

Here's all of it.

An Gréasaí Beag Bídeach

Bhí gréasaí beag bídeach,
ina chónaí fadó,
I bpoll beag bídeach,
i gcrann breá mór,
Ó bhíodh se sócúil
is seascair is sóch,
Agus mhair sé go sona is go sásta.

Loinneog:
Le tic teaic tiú
agus tic teaic tiú. (x 3)
Agus mhair sé go sona is go sásta.

Bhi comharsa béal dorais
ag an ngréasaí cóir,
Is céirbh í féin
ach Brídín Luchóg:
Ó rinne sí an glanadh
is an níochán dó
Is choimeád sí an teach beag go hálainn.

Loinneog - &rl

Ar a seacht a chlog,
gach uile lá,
Chuala sé cnag ar an doras go hárd,
Isteach leis an luch
ina haprún bán
Agus cimleachán mór ina láimh léi.

Loinneog - &rl

Ó d'fhádaigh sí tine
Le brosna is móin
Scuab sí an t-urlár
le scuab bhreá mhór,
Ghlan sí an troscán
is d'oscail fuinneog
Agus d'fhág sí an teach beag go snasta.

Loinneog &rl

Níor glac an luchóigín
le pingin pá
Mar sin dhein sé di bróga
den leathar is fearr,
Ní raibh luchóg sa choill sin
le bróga chomh breá
Is a bhí ar an luchóigín grámhar.

Luinneog &rl

Adúirt an cat dubh:
"Miaou! Miaou!"
"Ba bhreá liom luchóigín,
blasta reamhar,
Ach luchóigín cabhrach,
cneasta, caoin,
Ní íosfad a leithéid ariamh".

Loinneog &rl

Ó chroitheadar lámh
lena chéile go lách,
An cat mór craosach,
an luch bheah ghrách.
Is ghealladar cairdeas
bheith eatarthu go brách,
Agus mhair siad go sona is go sásta.

Loinneog &rl

(and they lived together happily ever after ?)


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 Post subject: Re: Cupla focal
PostPosted: Fri 25 Jan 2013 3:55 pm 
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Scooby wrote:
cimleachan = cuimleachán = 'miserable, insignificant person' according to FGB


I think in this context it probably derives from the verb cuimil - to rub, wipe. A cloth of some kind, so the wee mouse can clean!

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 Post subject: Re: Cupla focal
PostPosted: Fri 25 Jan 2013 4:03 pm 
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I've just been checking Dineen and discussing the word with a colleague who reckoned it was a cloth/duster. But I'll have to be quicker - darn, beaten to it again!


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 Post subject: Re: Cupla focal
PostPosted: Fri 25 Jan 2013 4:09 pm 
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Go raibh maith agaibh


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 Post subject: Re: Cupla focal
PostPosted: Fri 25 Jan 2013 4:14 pm 
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Scooby wrote:
I've just been checking Dineen and discussing the word with a colleague who reckoned it was a cloth/duster. But I'll have to be quicker - darn, beaten to it again!


Tá brón orm, a Scooby! Ní raibh ann ach buille fá tuairim!

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