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 Post subject: Joyce or Seoighe?
PostPosted: Fri 02 Nov 2012 7:24 pm 
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Tá a fhios agam gur tháinig Joyces as Éirinn, ach cén fáth an t-ainm Joyces orthu? Nach é an t-ainm Seoighe orthu chomh maith? Táim ag cuir an cheist seo oraibh mar is mise Joyce.

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 Post subject: Re: Joyce or Seoighe?
PostPosted: Fri 02 Nov 2012 10:35 pm 
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Tá a fhios agam gur tháinig Joyces as Éirinn, ach cén fáth an t-ainm Joyces orthu? Nach é an t-ainm Seoighe orthu chomh maith? Táim ag cuir an cheist seo oraibh mar is mise Joyce.


Tháinig na "Joyces" ó Shasana go hÉireann ("Normans" a bhí iontu. Cad é mar a dearfá "Norman" as Gaeilge?). Is ainm "Norman" é "Joyce." Chur siad foirm foghraíochta (i nGaeilge) ar a n-aimn ("Seoigh") níos déanaí, nuair a d'éirigh siad (na "Normans") "níos Gaelaí ná na nGael."

And just in case my Irish is totally incomprehensible:

The Joyces came to Ireland from England (They were Normans. How do you say "Norman" in Irish"?). Joyce is a Norman name. They adopted an Irish phonetic form (Seoigh) later, when they (the Normans) came to be "more Irish than the Irish."

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 Post subject: Re: Joyce or Seoighe?
PostPosted: Fri 02 Nov 2012 11:04 pm 
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Thanks much, Redwolf! I heard that they were originally of Welsh origin as well? According to focal.ie the Normans are called, "na Normanaigh"

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 Post subject: Re: Joyce or Seoighe?
PostPosted: Fri 02 Nov 2012 11:35 pm 
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FGB: Normannaigh (as I learned it in school)
De Bhaldraithe: Normanaigh


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 Post subject: Re: Joyce or Seoighe?
PostPosted: Fri 02 Nov 2012 11:44 pm 
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And Dinneen has Normánach. :panic:

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 Post subject: Re: Joyce or Seoighe?
PostPosted: Fri 02 Nov 2012 11:48 pm 
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The following thread might also interest you, David: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=131

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Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).


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 Post subject: Re: Joyce or Seoighe?
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The Norman younger sons had been previously sent to pacify Wales. That's where the Welsh origin thing comes in.

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 Post subject: Re: Joyce or Seoighe?
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Thanks Brendána and Redwolf! Both very interesting articles of news. I did a DNA test awhile back and there are about 40 people in Ireland and 39 in England one generation back that share my DNA. It makes you wonder about the Welsh origin idea!

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