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 Post subject: Comhaireamh
PostPosted: Wed 16 May 2012 3:43 pm 
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Just a quick question. Is the following correct? (As an aside, I was going to use a colon there, but then came the question mark! What should one do in English in this situation?)


Tá tuairim is trí mhilliún is fiche albam (23 million albums) díolta ag Lady Gaga ar fud an domhain go dtí seo, chomh maith le ceithre mhilliún is seasca singil (64 million singles).


The above seemed right to me, then I began to doubt myself about the position of the noun. Just checking - Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Comhaireamh
PostPosted: Wed 16 May 2012 4:15 pm 
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I can tell you that the comma is the correct punctuation there...I'll let others rule on the Irish!

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 Post subject: Re: Comhaireamh
PostPosted: Wed 16 May 2012 4:58 pm 
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Yep, comma - but I was wondering about the question mark. I had originally intended to use a colon where the question mark is, but then it's a question so...


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 Post subject: Re: Comhaireamh
PostPosted: Wed 16 May 2012 5:08 pm 
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Scooby wrote:
Yep, comma - but I was wondering about the question mark. I had originally intended to use a colon where the question mark is, but then it's a question so...


Oh, I see...you meant in the English sentence! (I did wonder where the question mark was supposed to be in the Irish sentence :darklaugh:

As it is, the question mark alone is fine, as you've set the sentence you're asking about apart from the English paragraph. I have, on occasion, seen a colon following a question mark, but it always looks odd to me. You definitely wouldn't want just a colon without a question mark, since, as you noted, it IS a question.

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 Post subject: Re: Comhaireamh
PostPosted: Wed 16 May 2012 7:54 pm 
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Now I'm thinking I got it wrong altogether and that the structure trí mhilliún is fiche albam just isn't used for large numbers like this. (and could be interpreted as 3,000,020.)

Should it be fiche a trí mhilliún albam?


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 Post subject: Re: Comhaireamh
PostPosted: Wed 16 May 2012 8:12 pm 
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As far as I can see, it should be fiche (is) a trí milliún albam.


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 Post subject: Re: Comhaireamh
PostPosted: Wed 16 May 2012 9:40 pm 
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Scooby wrote:
As far as I can see, it should be fiche (is) a trí milliún albam.

I was going to question that lenition, but I wasn't confident enough to post it, fiche a trí milliún albam is exactly what I would say, if that's worth anything to you. (Actually, I didn't realise the "a" is there in writing; I guess it runs into it in speech)


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 Post subject: Re: Comhaireamh
PostPosted: Wed 16 May 2012 10:08 pm 
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Gumbi wrote:
fiche a trí milliún albam


That is how I would say it too. (23 million)

The "is" is there gramatically, but it isn't usually pronounced.

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 Post subject: Re: Comhaireamh
PostPosted: Thu 17 May 2012 12:02 am 
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fiche a trí milliún albam


according to M. Mechura's article about numbers, it is right except that milliún should be lenited (because of trí) : fiche a trí mhilliún albam.

http://www.cainteoir.com/cainteoir_file ... reacha.pdf

(page 16, bottom)

To me, "fiche a trí mhilliún" sounds a bit odd since you say "trí theach is fiche" and not *fiche a trí theach", but it's clearer than "trí mhilliún albam is fiche"... :)

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 Post subject: Re: Comhaireamh
PostPosted: Thu 17 May 2012 12:13 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
To me, "fiche a trí mhilliún" sounds a bit odd


To me too.

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