Thanks, a Seaghain.


Actually, Connemara dialect is not very strict about using the genitive after le haghaidh. It was one reason I asked.


If you'd read the thread, Saoirse, you'd have seen that Seaghan had already explained previously that he uses the old spelling. I was trying to respect his right to do so, and at the same time keep the focus of my question on whether dínneár was in the nominative or the genitive.

Not quite correct. Irish has always had an h. In fact before the ponc séimhithe took over, séimhiú was initially represented by an h as it is today (when it was represented at all, of course).

There are also a lot of native onomatopoeic words that start with h.

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

why not "i n-Albain" ?

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Is fearr Gaeilg na Gaeltaċta ná Gaeilg ar biṫ eile
Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne

I had read the thread and so knew he was talking about the old way, but I was wondering when it was dropped and why. Later the caighdeán was mentioned and so I was wondering if it were only in the caighdeán that it wasn't present i.e. that the caighdeán marked the change.

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Ah, so you were asking about the history of the hyphen, not saying "WTF!!" Sorry, my mistake.

FWIW, I wouldn't use the hyphen even when representing dialect, but then I prefer the new system all round for its conciseness and relative phonetic consistency. (I do, however, think the old spelling is better when using old fonts and the ponc séimhithe. )

You'll also notice some people putting a space after a hyphen but I think it is more of a typing habit than an actual spelling convention, old or new.

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

Crumb! I can't believe I spelled it wrong!

I don't think I've ever seen a hyphen with a capital letter. Did it used to be that way?

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Táim ag foghlaim Gaelainn na Mumhan

Tá fáilte roim nach aon cheartú!
I am a learner. Any translations offered are practice and should not be used unless confirmed.

Another question, a Sheaghain. Did le h-aghaidh sound like leh-HIGH /l´e hai/, leh-HEE /l´e hi:/, or LIE /l´ai/?

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

Yes. And still is in Scottish Gaelic.

Btw I didn't know "le haghaidh" could be pronounced "leh hee", Breandán, have you ever heard it?
To me "aghaidh" is /ai/ in C, /aig'/ in M and /e:i/ in U...

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Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne

Le h-aghaidh / Leh-hee / lehy

Having said that, some of my friends pronounce it more like LIE / l'ai, in fact I do myself, depending on who I'm speaking with, just like I do when I hear people say BORE, instead of BOHAR, or SAVRA, instead of SOWRA. I can usually tell if someone is from Bearna, An Spidéal or Carna soon after meeting.
Around here, as little as a mile can change the pronunciation radically, so I amuse myself by following suit. There are many words in Conamara which have different pronunciations, depending on the locality. I'm sure I'm not the only one who is aware of that.

Benjamin is great at that too. He's even making me more observant.

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I speak Connemara Irish, and my input will often reflect that.
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Not personally, but apparently it is /l´ehi:/ in West Connemara.

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).