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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012 10:02 pm 
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I'm thinking that hearing Mass in English every week would have them retain some English even if they're otherwise speaking Irish).
Is there any chance that the mass would have been in Latin and not English? Keep in mind that I haven't a clue!

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012 10:08 pm 
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ChristyD wrote:
Is there any chance that the mass would have been in Latin and not English? Keep in mind that I haven't a clue!


I'll have to look into that. All our local Catholic churches have had English-only masses for as long as I can remember (with the exception of the ethinic shrines). Maybe I'll have to look into when Maine moved from Latin to English masses, though! Thanks!


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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012 10:30 pm 
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Mass changed from Latin around the 1950s. Also, the priest may have been an Irish speaker himself. Ethnic parishes were quite common


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ChristyD wrote:
Maybe I'll have to look into when Maine moved from Latin to English masses


It wouldn't be just Maine. Mass throughout the world would have changed from Latin to the native language of the area after the Second Vatican Council of 1962. Before that the only part of the Mass not in Latin would've been the sermon. So if the priest wanted himself understood he's have to have Irish.
With such a large Irish community there would probably be at least a native priest among them.

Before the Vatican Council changes people weren't involved in the Mass like now. They'd be saying their owns prayers, the Rosary etc until attention was needed for the actual blessing of the bread/wine. It's the alter boys that answered the priest in Latin.

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012 10:47 pm 
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According to what I found online, it changed from Latin to English on the Maine seacoast in 1965 with the Second Vatican Council. Definitely something else to give some thought to as far as priest involvement, though! Thanks!


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ChristyD wrote:
According to what I found online, it changed from Latin to English on the Maine seacoast in 1965 with the Second Vatican Council. Definitely something else to give some thought to as far as priest involvement, though! Thanks!


1962. And everywhere, not just in Maine.

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012 11:23 pm 
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Redwolf wrote:
1962. And everywhere, not just in Maine.


I found that in another article. Apparently, the one had it's date off even though they were from the same site. Can't always trust the internet :D


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I suppose Maine could be later. Not all the changes of Vatican II were enforced immediately, it depended on the local bishops / cardinals.
Some priests still say the Latin Mass even though it goes against the Vatican.

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Some places in the US changed a bit later. I was an altar boy in 1965, and the mass was still said in Latin in our parish (I can still say most of the responses in Latin). The very next year they dropped it for English. This was in the South in the US, which is always a bit behind. When I was a camp counselor just seven years later and took the (few) Catholic kids to mass on Sundays, they had never even heard of Latin.

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It's still not unusual to have the occasional Latin mass. When I was in high school, in the '70s, the local cathedral had one once a month, for the old ones who didn't want to let go of it (my school choir did the plainchant for it, which always amused me, as it was an all-girl school, and back in the day they'd never have let girls chant the mass). But it's not to be the day-to-day thing.

Before Vat II, however, Latin WOULD have been the norm...in fact, it wasn't to be said in the vernacular at all, other than the homily.

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