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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012 3:03 am 
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Looking for Coat of Arms motto translation. "Spirit of an explorer ~ Soul of a Poet" . Thanks for your help.


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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012 3:15 am 
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ceparker wrote:
Looking for Coat of Arms motto translation. "Spirit of an explorer ~ Soul of a Poet" . Thanks for your help.


Spiorad teascéalaí, anam file

Wait for more.

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ceparker wrote:
Looking for Coat of Arms motto translation. "Spirit of an explorer ~ Soul of a Poet" . Thanks for your help.


Meon an taiscéalaí
Spirit/Temperament of an explorer

Anam an filí
Soul of a poet

Anam could actually be used for "spirit" in this context, but I chose meon since anam would be used in the second clause.
I enlarged the font, so that you could see the accents over the i's more clearly.

Red beat me to it. Hers are literally correct, but for some reason I think it sounds better with the definite article in Irish ("spirit of the explorer"). Others will know better, so do wait for comments.

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For a moment there I thought we had another one for Scooby's list of words that don't obey "caol le caol, leathan le leathan", but on further investigation I found out "explorer" is taiscéalaí.

Perhaps:

Meon an taiscéalaí, anam an fhile

Await further input ...

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Hi ceparker. I just headed the title of the thread to help people to find it more easily. Headings such as 'translation please' tend to get lost and receive less attention. :pages:
Saoirse.

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012 11:32 am 
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Breandán wrote:
For a moment there I thought we had another one for Scooby's list of words that don't obey "caol le caol, leathan le leathan", but on further investigation I found out "explorer" is taiscéalaí.

Perhaps:

Meon an taiscéalaí, anam an fhile

Await further input ...


I think the above is fine. I'd tend to include the article myself. What's wrong with spiorad, though?


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Scooby wrote:
Breandán wrote:
For a moment there I thought we had another one for Scooby's list of words that don't obey "caol le caol, leathan le leathan", but on further investigation I found out "explorer" is taiscéalaí.

Perhaps:

Meon an taiscéalaí, anam an fhile

Await further input ...
I think the above is fine. I'd tend to include the article myself. What's wrong with spiorad, though?

Nothing, in fact, given its meaning of "spiritedness", it might be better still:

Spiorad an taiscéalaí, anam an fhile

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Thanks to all of you for the giving of your time to my quest. Being completely lost in all this myself would any care to comment on the following: My paternal linage as proven through DNA testing reveals R1b DNA on both my father and mother’s sides. So, definitely Celtic. From a genealogical point the family line is traced back to Southampton in 1500. From that I assume we were of those whom had come under the rule of all those coming after the Celts. In my readings I’ve come to learn that there are many Gaelic dialects. Being I can provide a geographical location, Southampton, what would your best guess be as to the ancient Gaelic dialect that would have been spoken in the area and how much difference might there have been between it and Irish Gaelic? Is there another dialect that might be closer?


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Spiorad an taiscéalaí, anam an fhile


why did you add the articles?

I think it should simply be

spiorad taiscéalaí, anam file

(if we translate the phrase as it is).

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I’ve come to learn that there are many Gaelic dialects. Being I can provide a geographical location, Southampton, what would your best guess be as to the ancient Gaelic dialect that would have been spoken in the area and how much difference might there have been between it and Irish Gaelic? Is there another dialect that might be closer?


within the family of Celtic languages, there are two groups:
Gaelic languages (Irish, Scottish Gaelic, Manx)
Brythonic languages (Breton, Welsh, Cornish)

Probably no Gaelic language was ever spoken in Southampton area, because Gaelic languages are and were only spoken in Ireland, Scotland and the Isle of Man.
Probably some Celtic (Brythonic) language was spoken in Southampton area once, but it is long long dead (several centuries ago, maybe more than 1000 years ago or even more) and I don't think we have any written attestation of it. That Celtic language might have been similar to the ancestor of Welsh and Cornish ie. "Old Brythonic" but very few things are known about it because at that time, Celts wouldn't write much. Most of what we know about Old Brythonic is people's names or placenames quoted in Latin texts.
Unfortunately you couldn't learn that language...

If I were you, maybe I'd learn Cornish, because if Old Brythonic had remained in Southampton area and developed until now, I guess it would be more or less close to Cornish since it's the closest Celtic language (geographically speaking). But of course we can't know...

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012 5:02 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
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Spiorad an taiscéalaí, anam an fhile


why did you add the articles?

I think it should simply be

spiorad taiscéalaí, anam file



You may well be right, Lughaidh. I agreed with Breandán as I was thought than the articles gave it 'generality' rather than talking about an individual explorer/poet. If a person was said to be imbued with a warrior's spirit, I would consider that to be the same as 'spirit of the warrior' (i.e. having that spirit which is associated with warriors in general. Why not 'spirit of a warrior' then (I ask myself!) - I don't really know, but using the article in Irish just seemed right. So when I read spiorad taiscéalaí I ask myself 'which explorer is that?' I hope you see what I mean, although I could be 100% wrong!


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