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An Cionnfhaolach · **Joined:** Fri 09 Mar 2012 6:16 pm **Posts:** 1527

An Lon Dubh wrote:

An Cionnfhaolach wrote:

If I were to say this I would say:

Raghadsa/ tiocfadsa chun/ chum do thighe amáireach don lón/ le haghaidh an lóin

This is something I've been wondering. Munster Irish virtually never uses "chun" in the sense
"to the" as you said. However I've noticed it does use it sometimes in cases where there is another
particle in the why, like "do". Exactly as it is here "chun do". However normally you should use
go/go dtí. Do you happen to know when you use "chun" for "to (as in motion)" in Munster Irish?
I know it is very rare.

Actually chun is used quite a lot in Munster Irish, especially in older writings as chum (the older form of chun is used).

example chun an bhoird- to the table
Raghadsa chun coille- I will go to the forrest

I don't know why exactly it seems to be a natural thing of knowing when to use it- depending on the speaker as well.

What I said was Munster Irish very rarely uses chuig an in the sense of "to the"

An Lon Dubh · **Joined:** Fri 30 Sep 2011 10:08 pm **Posts:** 1313

An Cionnfhaolach wrote:

Actually chun is used quite a lot in Munster Irish, especially in older writings as chum (the older form of chun is used).

example chun an bhoird- to the table
Raghadsa chun coille- I will go to the forrest

I don't know why exactly it seems to be a natural thing of knowing when to use it- depending on the speaker as well.

What I said was Munster Irish very rarely uses chuig an in the sense of "to the"

Sorry I didn't express myself very well. The other dialects, like Ulster, seem to have an obvious rule for when
you use one or the other. However I can never figure out what the rule is in Munster, also it seems that chun
is quite rare in this context compared with the other dialects, it seems to be used much more for other uses (like intention, e.t.c.). If you've any thoughts I'd like to hear them. So far I've mainly read Peadar Ua Laoghaire, so maybe other writers use chun much more in this way.

Lughaidh · **Joined:** Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2436

Read Peig or An tOileánach and you'll have examples of the western Kerry way :-)

An Cionnfhaolach · **Joined:** Fri 09 Mar 2012 6:16 pm **Posts:** 1527

An Lon Dubh wrote:

An Cionnfhaolach wrote:

Actually chun is used quite a lot in Munster Irish, especially in older writings as chum (the older form of chun is used).

example chun an bhoird- to the table
Raghadsa chun coille- I will go to the forrest

I don't know why exactly it seems to be a natural thing of knowing when to use it- depending on the speaker as well.

What I said was Munster Irish very rarely uses chuig an in the sense of "to the"

Sorry I didn't express myself very well. The other dialects, like Ulster, seem to have an obvious rule for when you use one or the other. However I can never figure out what the rule is in Munster, also it seems that chun
is quite rare in this context compared with the other dialects, it seems to be used much more for other uses (like intention, e.t.c.). If you've any thoughts I'd like to hear them. So far I've mainly read Peadar Ua Laoghaire, so maybe other writers use chun much more in this way.

Peadar Ua Laoghaire is a good resource: You have to be careful though because some times these books are edited and the caighdeán oifigiúil is put on them.

Type in Mo sgéal féin into google and go to the wikisource, that I believe this is the origional

What rules have they in Ulster regarding "chun"? I tend to do thing by feeling rather than learning rules- which is good cos you know what to use but never why!

Braoin · **Joined:** Sat 17 Sep 2011 11:52 pm **Posts:** 460

Redwolf wrote:

I'm second-guessing myself again (I do that a lot, in case you haven't noticed).

Is it OK to say something like:

Tiocfaidh mé do do theach amárach le haghaidh an lón

Or do I need to use "chuig" or "go dtí" or something else in place of the first "do"?

Redwolf

For me, it would be:

Tiocfaidh mé chuig do theach amárach le haghaidh an lóin.

... I'm trying to imagine a situation where I would actually say it like that (the truth!! :LOL:

), but if I was to say it that's how I would put it...

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