Breandán wrote:
More comments:
(1) George gave the name as Rédhmonn Ferritér. Cian has it as Sédhmonn. It looks like an N to me - ag Nédhmonn. Does ag cause lenition in Munster?
Aw, ya "R" of course, it couldn't be "S" because the second stroke (i.e the second part of the letter meets the page's line, whereas if it was an "S" it wouldn't meet the line. I have never seen "ag" leniting in Munster, off point, in Ulster do they say "a theacht" instead of "ag teacht" is that "a theacht- a' teacht-with the "g" in "ag" báite?
I don't think it could be an "N" because if you look at every other "n", the beginning stroke of the letter "n" doesn't go under the line (page markings) if you look at the letter it comes in contact with the "bhídh" below it. If it wasn't for that though I would agree with you because it lacks the middle squiggle in typical "
r".
Breandán wrote:
Usually, lower case s s and r r look like S and R in upper case. Were they ever written simply as enlarged versions of the miniscule?
Ya, usually the capital "S" and "R"s are written as "S" and "R"s. I don't think you could ever say they weren't written as "
s" and "
r" once and again subconsciously. I've noticed that the author tries to mimic older forms i.e d'on chuigain, he originally wrote do'n g-cuigain- reflecting his actual dialectal preference, but he crossed that out. Taking this into account, maybe the author was under the impression that "
s" and "
r" were native older forms and "S" and "R" were an outside influence. You'd need to analyse the text thoroughly though to see if that holds water- I'd say it was just an accident- there are a good few grammatical errors in the passage.
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(2) I read the last word on line 4 as aigṡi an old form of aici, no?
(I always wondered how they got aici from ag + í. Now I presume: aig + sí => aigshí => aigshi => g is devoiced to c, giving aici?)
good: , very plausible fits in phonetically and
aigshi-->aici looks like it would be a natural development.
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(3) According to this site (
http://www.scribhinn.org/lamhscr.html) there is a
nod for
ir that looks like an inverted cross.
Breandán wrote:
That would make it agas láiṁsáil dá réir aigṡi (agus láimhseáil dá réir aici), perhaps?
(4) Would this make sense as a translation of that sentence?
Ag Néḋmonn Ferritér i ngleann Sruinge du ḃíḋ ben-ḃaine a ḃíḋ ana-áḋasṁaċ imb a n-déinabh (sí) d' ím; agas de a ḃárr san i n-úġdarás mór ag an ḃ-ferritéraċ; agas láiṁsáil dá réir aigṡi.
"It was Éamonn Ferriter in Glen Sruinge who had a milk woman who was very handy at making imb, that is, butter, and because of that she was given great authority by Mr Ferriter, and she managed accordingly."
I think your right there on the start of the third line: "Síde" "ím"... Síd' ím- sin í ím- that is! I was looking it as Sí d'ím, can't believe I missed that
! Well spotted!
It makes sense now as the author is describing, to the reader, that "imb" is the older form of "ím"
Your translation is very good, a lot of reading in between the lines. Especially in the second line "
agas de a ḃárr san i n-úġdarás mór ag an ḃ-ferritéraċ" The verb to give is missing, I think its an incomplete sentence.
"
agas láiṁsáil dá réir aigṡi" "
and she managed (or handled it) accordingly"
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