Top 50 words Gaeltacht kids use

Lughaidh · **Joined:** Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2436

Tá 'n ceart agad, thig sin a ráidht

Mick · **Joined:** Fri 18 Nov 2011 2:27 pm **Posts:** 622

Breandán wrote:

Mick wrote:

My other thought was that the Gaeltacht pupils were using the conditional mood of other verbs: dhéanfainn, chuirfinn etc. But those mean "I would do, I would put" which is not the same thing as is féidir liom: "I can" or "it's possible for me."

I think this is precisely the case (despite your reservations.)

In English you might say "you can't do that" and use the modal verb "can", whereas Irish (and other languages) would happily use a subjunctive "you wouldn't do that", etc.

Thanks Breandán, that clears things up.

Errigal wrote:

I wonder how big the sample was? I've heard the odd TSF from young native speakers. I also heard a middle-aged presenter recently on RnaG say "Tá mo thuismitheoirí as X" and "Tá mise as Y" -though I know it was a very untypical aberration in this case.

The sample sizes are fairly small. I found the details on page 104.

65 students from 9 Gaelscoileanna for a total of 6 hours 20 minutes of recorded speech
15 students from 2 Gaeltacht schools for a total of 7 hours 20 minutes of recorded speech

An Cionnfhaolach · **Joined:** Fri 09 Mar 2012 6:16 pm **Posts:** 1527

Mick wrote:

Breandán wrote:

Mick wrote:

My other thought was that the Gaeltacht pupils were using the conditional mood of other verbs: dhéanfainn, chuirfinn etc. But those mean "I would do, I would put" which is not the same thing as is féidir liom: "I can" or "it's possible for me."

I think this is precisely the case (despite your reservations.)

In English you might say "you can't do that" and use the modal verb "can", whereas Irish (and other languages) would happily use a subjunctive "you wouldn't do that", etc.

Thanks Breandán, that clears things up.

dob'fhéidir or b'fhéidir is used in the Gaeltacht for "maybe", another possible way of saying maybe is N' fheadar in the Munster Gaeltacht.

for is féidir liom or I can:

The preferred Munster form for I can is Do dh' fhéadfainn/ D'fhéadfainn

or in ann as Breandán pointed out.

Errigal wrote:

I wonder how big the sample was? I've heard the odd TSF from young native speakers. I also heard a middle-aged presenter recently on RnaG say "Tá mo thuismitheoirí as X" and "Tá mise as Y" -though I know it was a very untypical aberration in this case.

The sample sizes are fairly small. I found the details on page 104.

65 students from 9 Gaelscoileanna for a total of 6 hours 20 minutes of recorded speech
15 students from 2 Gaeltacht schools for a total of 7 hours 20 minutes of recorded speech[/quote]

I don't think that sample size of Gaeltacht children is large enough for a viable sample population. The Gaelscoileanna has a much larger sample population and therefore greater anomalies or outliers are going to occur. In my opinion the sample populations are to different in scale to carry out comparative research with viable results. Does it specify the dialect(s) or which Gaeltachts in which the research was carried out- one or more came from Munster because of the use of "so"?

Two Gaeltacht schools in my opinion isn't sufficient either. I haven't read the Methodology yet and that might explain how the author was going to deal with the outliers.

Mick · **Joined:** Fri 18 Nov 2011 2:27 pm **Posts:** 622

An Cionnfhaolach wrote:

Does it specify the dialect(s) or which Gaeltachts in which the research was carried out- one or more came from Munster because of the use of "so"?

In this case, "so" is the English word, not a Munster pronunciation of "seo." For whatever reason, the author decided not to reveal the names or locations of the schools that took part in his research.

Quote:

From page 100: The Gaeltacht schools chosen are situated in Irish-speaking heartland areas where there are substantial numbers of native speakers of Irish amongst the children. The Gaeltacht school recordings were made with both 5th and 6th class pupils, unlike the situation in the all-Irish schools where only sixth classes were used. This was due to the multi-grade classes in the Gaeltacht schools.

An Cionnfhaolach wrote:

Two Gaeltacht schools in my opinion isn't sufficient either. I haven't read the Methodology yet and that might explain how the author was going to deal with the outliers.

Basically, he took speech samples from 6th class Gaelscoil pupils and sent transcripts of their conversations to adult native speakers for correction. The purpose was to identify what areas needed improvement in the schools. He used the smaller sample of Gaeltacht children as a control group, but their schools weren't the focus of his research.

An Cionnfhaolach · **Joined:** Fri 09 Mar 2012 6:16 pm **Posts:** 1527

Mick wrote:

Basically, he took speech samples from 6th class Gaelscoil pupils and sent transcripts of their conversations to adult native speakers for correction. The purpose was to identify what areas needed improvement in the schools. He used the smaller sample of Gaeltacht children as a control group, but their schools weren't the focus of his research.

Alright that's ok then!

Mick wrote:

In this case, "so" is the English word, not a Munster pronunciation of "seo." For whatever reason, the author decided not to reveal the names or locations of the schools that took part in his research.

Ah ya, he can't reveal the name of the schools because privacy and the protection of peoples' names is of top ethical priority. He could however say which dialect it came from i.e Muster, Connacht etc... but not the school.

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